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Went to Chicago and met this guy with very interesting grip and style.
Loop and chop with FH, No swiddle.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v14137343kYTqfG48

Bonus ::: played at the same place, didn't have tri-pod so I place my cam on a chair. She played like a US 2200+ in practice but she didn't have experience with LP much, or non?.
I decided not to attack much and just playing spin changing game.

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Hi Bogeyhunter,
Did he also chop on the backhand side? He hits with the same side, forhand and backhand. It is very close to the modified Seemiller grip. He has his thumb on the back of the blade but not his first finger.

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He hit FH both sides. Because the way he grips it, he just turn his wrist to selest which side to use. His style is FH heavy......doesn't use BH much.
Red is 388D-1 OX, Black is some Kspin inverted.

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It's a modified Seemiller grip.

Notice how after he chops on the f/h he has to fiddle with his grip a little before he can f/h loop again. He can't loop, chop, & loop, without doing more than simply turning his wrist between the chop and the next loop.

If I'm correct in spotting this, he is still twiddling on the f/h, but it's more subtle due to the grip dynamics. You just slide the blade around in your hand.

Very interesting!

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I agree Shoebox. Looks much more complex to use. Even though he doesn't flip the bat, it is a form of twiddling. He has to change grip to chop.

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Yeesh that guy is terrible, he needs a haircut too.

I was terriable too, when I was first starting learning this grip!

IMHO it's got great potential, as long as you're willing to practice. Because it's more complex (ie 2x backhands without twiddling) you can't just show up at club once a week and expect to be brilliant. F/h is easy, but you need to practice the 2x backhands (or at least I do) to be strong with both.

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It's you !!!!!!!
Care to explain how in the world you play with that grip and how to switch from loop to chop?
Please

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Okay here's how it works. Normally the thumb is flat on the back. It can be considered a backhanded seemiller grip, but the seemiller players (the seemillers themselves as well as those who play like them/with them largely in pennsylvania) don't seem to consider it to be the same. I usually call it an american grip.

The front (black) inverted side is used for most shots on both backhand and forehand - loops, blocks, pushes, counterloops, lobs etc.

The pips are mostly used for forehand chops. I don't necessarily have to change grips to use them but it's quite easy so i usually do it. To me a twiddle is flipping the sides of the racket in the hand, whereas my grip shift is a rotation but not flipping sides. The pips are always on the thumb/back side, inverted always on the forefinger/front side. So i don't consider it a twiddle, but it's certainly a fiddle. The pips can also be used over the table for forehand service return and the like.

The majority of backhand chops are with inverted, sometimes i use pips. The backhand chop with the back side is awkward; on the backhand i'd have to twiddle to make it comfortable to use pips, and i prefer not to do that. So i tend to approach things as if i have two forehand surfaces but only one backhand.

In my opinion one of the (two) big problems with this grip is the awkwardness of the front side forehand. I don't find it awkward so it works for me, but most people have a hard time looping forehands with this grip.

And it was only half a joke - my level of play really is terrible at the moment. This was my fourth time playing after a year and a half off, so i'm way below what i consider my normal level and probably will be for a few months.

The equipment: joo se hyuk blade (modified handle), killerspin nitrx 5z 2.1 black on the front, dawei 388d-1 no sponge red on the back.

Very interesting!

I've given it a try, though I may not be using the exact same bat angle as you.

My 3 minute summary for looping would be:

Standard Seemiller: Great f/h, great twiddling, poor b/h
my/Hookshot's version: Great f/h, poor twiddling, stronger b/h
Kagin's version: Weaker f/h, poor twiddling, strongest b/h

For chopping it's all different:

Standard Seemiller: f/h medium-poor, b/h impossible.
my/Hookshot's version: f/h great (inverted only), b/h good (pips only, verdict still out)
Kargin's: f/h (with pips) works but possibly limited, b/h (with pips) better than f/h?

Kargin, my difficulty in f/h pip chopping with what I understand of your grip, is that it's quite difficult to hit the back of the ball, as the natural angle is under the ball. This produces slower balls with less backspin that are easy (without care) to float high.

For best results chopping with pips, you need to be chopping with a really quick action down onto the back of the ball. I found this difficult due to the bat angle. Perhaps your wrist is more flexiable than mine!?

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For me, this grip is about as close to perfect as possible for forehand looping; i find it much more comfortable than shakehand forehands, even extremely forehand-biased shakehand grips. I wouldn't have much of a game without my forehand loop.. However i've only met a couple other people who found forehands comfortable with this grip, and i don't recommend this grip to other players.

When chopping, i always have time to shift my grip unless i get tangled up mentally. To change to the chopping grip i basically loosen my hand and it becomes very close to an orthodox shakehand grip with the pips on the forehand side and inverted on the backhand side. So with this technique chopping is as easy as shakehand chopping. The grip change is automatic for me; once i've decided to use the pips, the racket is already in the right position, i've never had to practice it.

The other chopping variation is to use the pips on the backhand side which is very awkward when i don't change grips, and only slightly less awkward when i do, as this requires a grip rotation in the "wrong" direction. It was an easier shot when i chopped with neubauer.

As for twiddling, it's useless to me; i'd be completely lost with the pips on the front side of the racket. My racket handle is customized to be comfortable on one side only.

By the way dan seemiller chops with the inverted side on both forehands and backhands.

I tried to loop with that grip last night..... Failed!!!

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I know a player whose game is almost an exact mirror of mine. His forefinger is flat on the back of the long pips side and uses the inverted for both forehands and backhands. It's a mirror of mine because even though he has a forehand-strong grip, he has a wicked backhand attack and relatively weak forehand. Just for fun i tried to copy his grip and backhand stroke, with no success. His rating is in the 1800-1900 range, unfortunately he can't play much because of health problems.